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Obama refuses to celebrate July 4th..Is it a black thing?
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AlleyCat
2013-07-04 21:45:28 UTC
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On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT),wy says...
I bet there were a hell of a lot more black slaves than white ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada



I bet you I don't give a shit what you think about American slavery,
since Cuntnadada had slaves too, moron. I also bet you that that wasn't
the topic. I'll also bet you that the tweet from Effie Morrison, isn't
me, so your statement about white slaves versus blacks is stupid and
pointless. Stupid boy.
Is our president a low life anti-American piece of dog shit?
He's on the side of Chris Rock, when it comes to our nation... "We were
fucking slaves when that Constitution was written, but we'll damn sho
takes yo money... now gimme mah check!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_ZTvuOAeT4k

As Americans gathered to celebrate the birth of America and the freedoms
they enjoy, comedian Chris Rock is using the occasion to dismiss the 4th
of July as a "white people's" holiday. The morning of July 4, Rock
tweeted to his 850,000 followers "Happy white peoples independence day
the slaves weren't free but I'm sure they enjoyed fireworks."

The response to his tweet was immediate and vocally opposed. Many were
upset that Rock would unfairly link slavery to a day meant to celebrate
democracy, American freedom, and the sacrifice of America's military and
patriots. Some also pointed out Rock's hypocrisy to bash a country that
has given him unprecedented success and millions in wealth.

Loren Heal set Rock straight with the following tweet: "The Declaration
of Independence led directly to emancipation. No nation with that as a
foundation could long tolerate slavery." David Burge tweeted Rock with
"Good one! I bet your Guatemalan house staff got a good chuckle."

Conservative tweeter BlackRepublican responded to Rock with the
statement "FACT: One of the best-known African American patriots was
Crispus Attucks, died in Boston Massacre of 1770 while mocking British
soldiers." He later added "FACT: About 5,000 blacks fought on the side
of the colonists. Most of them were free blacks or slaves from the
Northern/Middle colonies."

Effie Morrison responded with the tweet "I wonder if the free man
Crispus Attucks would agree with you. Not all blacks were slaves and not
all whites were free."
David Johnston
2013-07-04 22:02:59 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT),wy says...
I bet there were a hell of a lot more black slaves than white ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
I bet you I don't give a shit what you think about American slavery,
since Cuntnadada had slaves too, moron.
No it didn't. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire before
Confederation.
AlleyCat
2013-07-05 01:57:55 UTC
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On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 16:02:59 -0600,David Johnston says...
Post by David Johnston
Post by AlleyCat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
I bet you I don't give a shit what you think about American slavery,
since Cuntnadada had slaves too, moron.
No it didn't. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire before
Confederation.
Slavery in Canada:

Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed INTO the 1830's,(that means
before the 1830's, igno) when slavery was officially abolished. Some
slaves were of African descent, while others were aboriginal (typically
called panis, likely a corruption of Pawnee). Slavery within Canada's
current geography was practised primarily by Aboriginal groups. While
there was never any significant Canadian trade in African slaves, native
nations frequently enslaved their rivals and a very modest number
(sometimes none in a number of years) were purchased by colonial
administrators (rarely by settlers) until 1833, when the slave trade was
abolished across the British Empire.

A few thousand African slaves were forcibly brought as chattel by
Europeans to New France, Acadia and the later British North America (see
chattel slavery) during the 17th century. They were house servants and
farm workers. There were no large-scale plantations in Canada, and
therefore no large-scale plantation slave work forces of the sort that
existed in most European colonies in the Americas, from Virginia to the
West Indies to Brazil.

Because early Canada's role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade was so
minor, the history of slavery in Canada is often overshadowed by the
more tumultuous slavery practised elsewhere in the Americas - most
famously in the American South, and infamously in the colonial
Caribbean. Afua Cooper states that slavery is, "Canada's best kept
secret, locked within the National closet."[1]

Under indigenous rule

Slave-owning people of what became Canada were, for example, the fishing
societies, such as the Yurok, that lived along the Pacific coast from
Alaska to California.[2] Many of the indigenous peoples of the Pacific
Northwest Coast, such as the Haida and Tlingit, were traditionally known
as fierce warriors and slave-traders, raiding as far as California.
Slavery was hereditary, the slaves being prisoners of war and their
descendants were slaves.[3]

Among some Pacific Northwest tribes about a quarter of the population
were slaves.[4][5] One slave narrative was composed by an Englishman,
John R. Jewitt, who had been taken alive when his ship was captured in
1802; his memoir provides a detailed look at life as a slave, and
asserts that a large number were held.
Under French rule
Main article: Slavery in New France

In 1628 the first recorded slave in Canada was brought by a British
Convoy to New France. Olivier le Jeune was the name given to the boy
originally from Madagascar. His given name resonates with the Code Noir.
Although loosely established, the Code Noir forced baptisms and decreed
the conversion of all slaves to Catholicism.[6]

By 1688, New France's population was 11,562 people, made up primarily of
fur traders, missionaries, and farmers settled along the St. Lawrence
Valley. To help overcome its severe shortage of servants and labourers,
King Louis XIV granted New France's petition to import black slaves from
West Africa. While slavery was prohibited in France, it was permitted in
its colonies as a means of providing the massive labour force needed to
clear land, construct buildings and (in the Caribbean colonies) work
sugar plantation. New France soon established its own 'Code Noir,'
defining the control and management of slaves. The Code in 1685 set the
pattern for policing slavery. It required that all slaves be instructed
as Catholics and not as Protestants. It concentrated on defining the
condition of slavery, and established harsh controls. Slaves had
virtually no rights, though the Code did enjoin masters to take care of
the sick and old. The blacks were usually called "servants," and the
harsh gang system was not used. Death rates among slaves were high.[7]

Marie-Joseph Angélique was the black slave of a rich widow in Montreal.
According to a published account of her life[8] by Afua Cooper, in 1734,
after learning that she was going to be sold and separated from her
lover,[9] she set fire to her owner's house and escaped. The fire raged
out of control, destroying forty-six buildings. Captured two months
later, Marie-Joseph was paraded through the city, then tortured until
she confessed her crime. In the afternoon of the day of execution,
Angélique was taken one last time through the streets of Montreal and,
after the stop at the church for her amende honorable mounted a scaffold
facing the ruins of the buildings destroyed by the fire and there was
hanged, then strangled until dead, her body flung into the fire and the
ashes scattered in the wind.[10]
Under British rule

Black slaves lived in the British regions of Canada in the 17th and 18th
centuries ? 104 were listed in a 1767 census of Nova Scotia, but their
numbers were small until the United Empire Loyalist influx after 1783.
As white Loyalists fled the new American Republic, they took with them
about 2000 black slaves: 1200 to the Maritimes (Nova Scotia, New
Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island), 300 to Lower Canada (Quebec), and
500 to Upper Canada (Ontario). The Imperial Act of 1790[11] assured
prospective immigrants that their slaves would remain their property. As
under French rule, Loyalist slaves were held in small numbers and were
employed as domestic servants, farm hands, and skilled artisans.

The subject of slavery in Canada is unmentioned? neither banning nor
permitting? in both the 1763 Treaty of Paris and the Quebec Act of 1774
or the Treaty of Paris of 1783.

Canadian First Nations owned or traded in slaves. Shawnee, Potawatomi,
and other western tribes imported slaves from Ohio and Kentucky and sold
them to Canadian settlers. Thayendenaga (chief Joseph Brant) used blacks
he had captured during the American Revolution to build Brant House at
Burlington Beach and a second home near Brantford. In all, Brant owned
about forty black slaves.[12]

The system of gang labour, and its consequent institutions of control
and brutality, did not develop in Canada as it did in the USA. Because
they did not appear to pose a threat to their masters, slaves were
permitted to learn to read and write, Christian conversion was
encouraged, and their marriages were recognized by law.

By 1790 the abolition movement was gaining credence in Canada and the
ill intent of slavery was evidenced by an incident involving a slave
woman being violently abused by her slave owner on her way to being sold
in the United States. In 1793 Chloe Clooey, in an act of defiance yelled
out screams of resistance. The abuse committed by her slave owner and
her violent resistance was witnessed by Peter Martin and William
Grisely.[13] Peter Martin, a former slave, brought the incident to the
attention of Lieutenant Governor John Graves Simcoe. Under the auspices
of Simcoe, The Slave Act of 1793 was legislated. The elected members of
the executive council, many of whom were merchants or farmers who
depended on slave labour, saw no need for emancipation. White later
wrote that there was "much opposition but little argument" to his
measure. Finally the Assembly passed the Act Against Slavery that
legislated the gradual abolition of slavery: no slaves could be
imported; slaves already in the province would remain enslaved until
death, no new slaves could be brought into Upper Canada, and children
born to female slaves would be slaves but must be freed at age 25. To
discourage manumission, the Act required the master to provide security
that the former slave would not become a public charge. The compromise
Slave Act of 1793 stands as the only attempt by any Canadian legislature
to act against slavery.[14] This legal rule ensured the eventual end of
slavery in Upper Canada, although as it diminished the sale value of
slaves within the province it also resulted in slaves being sold to the
United States. In 1798 there was an attempt by a lobby groups to rectify
the legislation and import more slaves.[15]

By 1800 the other provinces of British North America had effectively
limited slavery through court decisions requiring the strictest proof of
ownership, which was rarely available. Slavery remained legal, however,
until the British Parliament's Slavery Abolition Act finally abolished
slavery in all parts of the British Empire effective August 1, 1834.

The Sierra Leone Company was established to relocate groups of formerly
enslaved Africans, nearly 1,200 Black Nova Scotians, most of whom had
escaped enslavement in the United States. Given the most barren land in
Nova Scotia, many had died from the harsh winters there. They
established a settlement in the existing colony in Sierra Leone (already
established to home the 'poor blacks' of London) at Freetown in 1792.
Many of the "Black poor" were African Americans, who had been promised
their freedom for joining the British Army during the American
Revolution, but also included other African and Asian inhabitants of
London. The Freetown settlement was joined, particularly after 1834, by
other groups of freed Africans and became the first African-American
haven for formerly enslaved Africans.

Today there are four remaining slave cemeteries in Canada: in St.-
Armand, Quebec, Shelburne, Nova Scotia and Priceville and Dresden in
Ontario.

Around the time of the Emancipation, the Underground Railroad network
was established in the United States, particularly Ohio, where slaves
would cross into the Northern States over the Ohio River en route to
various settlements and towns in Upper Canada (known as Canada West from
1841 to 1867, now Ontario). This is Canada's only relationship to
slavery generally known to the public or acknowledged by the Canadian
government.
Research

Historian Marcel Trudel has documented 4,092 recorded slaves throughout
Canadian history, of which 2,692 were Aboriginal peoples, owned by the
French, and 1,400 blacks owned by the British. Those slaves were owned
by approximately 1,400 masters altogether.[16] Trudel also noted 31
marriages took place between French colonists and Aboriginal slaves.[16]
David Johnston
2013-07-05 02:01:34 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 16:02:59 -0600,David Johnston says...
Post by David Johnston
Post by AlleyCat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
I bet you I don't give a shit what you think about American slavery,
since Cuntnadada had slaves too, moron.
No it didn't. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire before
Confederation.
Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed INTO the 1830's,
Which was of course before Confederation. That's why they say "what now
comprises Canada". Because it was before Canada existed.
AlleyCat
2013-07-05 02:15:58 UTC
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On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:01:34 -0600,David Johnston says...
Post by David Johnston
Post by AlleyCat
Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed INTO the 1830's,
Which was of course before Confederation. That's why they say "what now
comprises Canada". Because it was before Canada existed.
More libtard semantics games.

You wanna play that fucking bullshit? OK... America only had slaves for
less than 90 years then, dumbass. America outlawed slavery much longer
ago, than all the years they had slaves. Do the math, nerd.

Get that Cuntknucklehead wee to help.
BIG BIRD
2013-07-05 02:29:30 UTC
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"AlleyCat" <***@aohell.com> wrote in message news:***@news.eternal-september.org...
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: On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:01:34 -0600,David Johnston says...
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: > > Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed INTO the 1830's,
: >
: > Which was of course before Confederation. That's why they say "what now
: > comprises Canada". Because it was before Canada existed.
:
: More libtard semantics games.
:
: You wanna play that fucking bullshit? OK... America only had slaves for
: less than 90 years then, dumbass. America outlawed slavery much longer
: ago, than all the years they had slaves. Do the math, nerd.
:
: Get that Cuntknucklehead wee to help.
:


what do you hillbillies do for the 4th of July gomer ??

wave a sparkler while you're sucking that nasty,slimy,stinkin,angry old rich white
man's dick ?

let your rich masters stick firecrackers up your lard asses ??
David Johnston
2013-07-05 03:18:34 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:01:34 -0600,David Johnston says...
Post by David Johnston
Post by AlleyCat
Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed INTO the 1830's,
Which was of course before Confederation. That's why they say "what now
comprises Canada". Because it was before Canada existed.
More libtard semantics games.
You wanna play that fucking bullshit? OK... America only had slaves for
less than 90 years then, dumbass.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Ford Prefect
2013-07-05 23:13:05 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 16:02:59 -0600,David Johnston says...
Post by David Johnston
Post by AlleyCat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
I bet you I don't give a shit what you think about American slavery,
since Cuntnadada had slaves too, moron.
No it didn't. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire before
Confederation.
Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed INTO the 1830's,
Which was of course before Confederation. That's why they say "what now
comprises Canada". Because it was before Canada existed.
Rush Limbaugh refused to celebrate Indepedance Day because he hates
America just like his acolytes.

It's a right wing Christian thing.

The Southern Argument for Slavery
Nellie Norton
Southern slaveholders often used biblical passages to justify slavery.

Those who defended slavery rose to the challenge set forth by the
Abolitionists. The defenders of slavery included economics, history,
religion, legality, social good, and even humanitarianism, to further
their arguments.

Defenders of slavery argued that the sudden end to the slave economy
would have had a profound and killing economic impact in the South
where reliance on slave labor was the foundation of their economy. The
cotton economy would collapse. The tobacco crop would dry in the
fields. Rice would cease being profitable.

Defenders of slavery argued that if all the slaves were freed, there
would be widespread unemployment and chaos. This would lead to
uprisings, bloodshed, and anarchy. They pointed to the mob's "rule of
terror" during the French Revolution and argued for the continuation of
the status quo, which was providing for affluence and stability for the
slaveholding class and for all free people who enjoyed the bounty of
the slave society.
The Negro's Place in Nature
Some slaveholders believed that African Americans were biologically
inferior to their masters. During the 1800s, this arguement was taken
quite seriously, even in scientific circles.

Defenders of slavery argued that slavery had existed throughout history
and was the natural state of mankind. The Greeks had slaves, the Romans
had slaves, and the English had slavery until very recently.

Defenders of slavery noted that in the Bible, Abraham had slaves. They
point to the Ten Commandments, noting that "Thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's house, ... nor his manservant, nor his maidservant." In the
New Testament, Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master,
and, although slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, Jesus
never spoke out against it.

Defenders of slavery turned to the courts, who had ruled, with the Dred
Scott Decision, that all blacks — not just slaves — had no legal
standing as persons in our courts — they were property, and the
Constitution protected slave-holders' rights to their property.

Defenders of slavery argued that the institution was divine, and that
it brought Christianity to the heathen from across the ocean. Slavery
was, according to this argument, a good thing for the enslaved. John C.
Calhoun said, "Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from
the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so
civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and
intellectually."

Defenders of slavery argued that by comparison with the poor of Europe
and the workers in the Northern states, that slaves were better cared
for. They said that their owners would protect and assist them when
they were sick and aged, unlike those who, once fired from their work,
were left to fend helplessly for themselves.

James Thornwell, a minister, wrote in 1860, "The parties in this
conflict are not merely Abolitionists and slaveholders, they are
Atheists, Socialists, Communists, Red Republicans, Jacobins on the one
side and the friends of order and regulated freedom on the other."
FirstPost
2013-07-05 03:30:52 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT),wy says...
I bet there were a hell of a lot more black slaves than white ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
I bet you I don't give a shit what you think about American slavery,
since Cuntnadada had slaves too, moron.
No it didn't. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire before
Confederation.
British Parliament's Slavery Abolition Act finally abolished slavery
in all parts of the British Empire effective August 1, 1834.
Just 31 years before the US did the same (The actual Emancipation
Proclamation was issued just 28 years later in September of 1862)

When you consider the ages of nations, in the grand scheme of things,
it took Britain and everyone else that ever had slavery hundreds of
years to abolish it in their own nations. It took the United States
less than 100 years. Nevertheless, in terms of history, the US and
the British empire both decided to end slavery roughly about the same
time. the 1800s was a big century regarding countries abolishing
slavery.

And as far as it being abolished in what is now Canada before
"confederation" is concerned, unless the entire population was removed
and replaced after confederation then the same slave owners and their
descendants still remained and thus a lot of Canadian's ancestry is
tarnished with slavery regardless of whether it was under the rule of
the Brtish empire at the time or not.
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